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Post by Wyatt on May 22, 2012 22:46:23 GMT -6
(sidenote: people who stack ONLY class stat and ignore vit annoy the crap out of me. yes yes you do 300 more dps than me, but you know how much dps you do while dead? ZERO. suck it up and get some vit people, it's not hard if you check auction house or just look through drops once in a while) <3 Marry me? Or at least friend me? LuminoZero#1736
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Hal
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Post by Hal on May 23, 2012 0:48:34 GMT -6
doesn't really matter in hell/inferno. some elite modifier combinations are pretty much just going to oneshot you period and god forbid you're melee or even more combinations are going to be a problem then again I play everyone with vitality/class stat weighted in favor of vitality. EVEN MY WIZARD IS TANKY AS HELL. (sidenote: people who stack ONLY class stat and ignore vit annoy the crap out of me. yes yes you do 300 more dps than me, but you know how much dps you do while dead? ZERO. suck it up and get some vit people, it's not hard if you check auction house or just look through drops once in a while) Eh, starting off there isn't much vit out there, I had more vit than dex and still had a few close calls. But you have to remember a large chunk of the players are come from wow(buy annul pass and get d3 free) where you stack your primary stat and say f**k everything else. Also they think it's YOUR job to res them at any given moment, it took me 2 seconds to run back from a check point but I still had to res the barb, they do that crap all the time on wow. But also to add to your point trading 200 health for 2.6 damage is stupid, a boss can one shot you, you can't one shot the boss. IMO it should be Vit, Class stat, armor/resist. Health don't do much if you're taking chunks of damage.
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Post by Elesia on May 23, 2012 3:04:29 GMT -6
You know I haven't really gotten much out of armor so far seems like. Diminishing returns for both dodge and armor, I think, and then armor % reduc is also reduced as you level up for constant base armor values? Vit seems like the best way to survive. Does that change at some point? Even energy armor/40% armor war cry don't seem to actually boost survivability as much as vit.
disclaimer: not that I'm saying armor is BAD or anything, just that if I had to pick between an extra 30 vit or 30 armor I'd pick the first in a heartbeat.
also I had one of THOSE wizards last night who was running zero CC and very little hp. died constantly until I convinced him to at least try diamond skin+prism and wave of force+first rune. ended up having to solo a full pack of elites (fire chain/vampiric) as a tanky barb because they kept expecting me to rez them. in the middle of a fight. with only me left alive. took like two minutes for me to finish everything off and they NEVER CHECKPOINTED even though it would have saved so much time.
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Post by Hal on May 23, 2012 4:26:15 GMT -6
Oh I know it doesn't make that big of a differnce but it can help some, that's why it falls last on the list hell i'd take resist before armor. It's not fun when your health drops faster than a boosted monk heal and a potion before I can move.
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Post by Elesia on May 23, 2012 8:06:08 GMT -6
What the hell IS the difference between resist and armor anyways? Armor supposebly reduces ALL damage by X%, but if you go into stats and look at resists, they reduce damage of that type by Y%, and X and Y have no apparent link. Do they stack additively? Multiplicatively? TOO MUCH THINKING TABBY BRAIN HURT
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Hal
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Post by Hal on May 23, 2012 8:19:06 GMT -6
I'm guessing armor=melee damage resist X=what X is lowered
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Post by Wyatt on May 23, 2012 9:02:54 GMT -6
Armor resists physical, your resists will resist only their specific type (Poison, Fire, etc.)
And let me tell you something, on Inferno and Hell, armor and resists matter a LOT. I'm sitting at 6.5K Armor and 380-ish resists (Comes out to about 55.5%) and it's nice seeing an ally take 16K from a Grotesque exploding while I take 6K (Of my 55K base HP.)
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Hal
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Post by Hal on May 23, 2012 9:24:25 GMT -6
When it comes to resistance I have bad memories of Black Souls on Hell in D2 *shivers*
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Post by Wyatt on May 23, 2012 9:55:50 GMT -6
Salvation and a Guardian Angel, then RUN LIKE HELL!
HoZ would help too.
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Post by Hal on May 23, 2012 9:57:10 GMT -6
I just thought about it, all i have to do is remap my talent tree, bag, potions, and TP to 5-9 and i can play using my mouse only... >.> my mouse
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Post by Elesia on May 23, 2012 10:12:31 GMT -6
When it comes to resistance I have bad memories of Black Souls on Hell in D2 *shivers* every time I saw those goddamn things I just bit down 'cuz I knew they were going in raw and that I was not going to be pooping from there that night. didn't even matter how much lightning resist you had, the lightning ghosts (black souls in 3 iirc, Gloams in a5?) would just sometimes roll max damage and pretty much oneshot you anyways. Also, there is a physical resistance stat that goes up at the same rate as other resists based on int, which is why I'm really confused - if armor reduces phys damage, and there's an entirely separate physical resist stat...
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Post by Hal on May 24, 2012 11:57:40 GMT -6
It could be possible that all of your armor vs attack value lowers the maximum amount an attack can do then the int based one lowers damage. Like let's say an attack of 1000 damage meets an armor rating of 800 resulting in 200 damage. Then your physical resistance lowers it by another 53 and you end up taking only 147 damage.
But idk, I always played the lazy type and let somebody do all the number crunching like that.
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Post by Lilith on May 24, 2012 19:57:02 GMT -6
I got this game, but I suck pretty hard at it. I'm playing as a wizard because she's basically Azula! Also, I'm gonna admit that it scares me a little, and I'm hesitant to play it after dark...
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Post by Elesia on May 24, 2012 21:49:14 GMT -6
I got this game, but I suck pretty hard at it. I'm playing as a wizard because she's basically Azula! Also, I'm gonna admit that it scares me a little, and I'm hesitant to play it after dark... Diablo series is a pretty horrific setting. Some of the levels (Durance of Hate in d2, Halls of Agony in d3) are the most over-the-top examples of this, but the sheer quantity of corpses and often-depressing-as-hell journals bear testament slightly less blatantly. admittedly that draws me in more than disgusting me but that is neither here nor there
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Post by Hal on May 24, 2012 22:54:42 GMT -6
I got this game, but I suck pretty hard at it. I'm playing as a wizard because she's basically Azula! Also, I'm gonna admit that it scares me a little, and I'm hesitant to play it after dark... Diablo series is a pretty horrific setting. Some of the levels (Durance of Hate in d2, Halls of Agony in d3) are the most over-the-top examples of this, but the sheer quantity of corpses and often-depressing-as-hell journals bear testament slightly less blatantly. admittedly that draws me in more than disgusting me but that is neither here nor there Yea... it has the same effect on my girlfriend... you two are strange.
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