PvP Rules Buff?

[Ito]

Hi there. I haven't really PvPed much on this site, but I would like to make note that the guidelines for combat here are a bit lacking. At least, in comparison to another site I RP on. The other site (which I'm not advertising) has a very defined system, but that same system is also very open and allows for creativity, unrestricted reactions, and rules in place to prevent metagaming, godmodding, etc. These specific guidelines, systems, concepts, and rules allow for as little confusion as possible, which is something I've experienced a bit of in my short time PvPing here.

There are also several things, like the concept of Shared Time, that are explained very nicely here. While this specific guide to PvP is for a completely different genre, I do believe the guide could be adapted to fit here, and I think it would provide a nice setting for us to PvP in. The rules already in place here are nearly identical to those on the site I linked, but because those in place here are pretty vague in my opinion, there is lots of room for confusion, misunderstanding, and the potential to exploit such vagueness; these can lead to OOC bickering and resentment, which I absolutely hate to see and would like to limit as much as possible. Especially since I'm pretty sure the internet is used by people, and not a bunch of loaded saltshakers

While I don't think it matters much, this is still a suggestion. It doesn't apply to combat against NPCs, (which seems kinda big here with our cliche village defenses), and it doesn't change anything there. I think it is important to have as streamlined of a system as possible, both for overall efficiency and to support smooth IC interaction, while simultaneously minimizing OOC problems. There are also some rules there that are built to keep these types of threads from dying, such as time limits between posts, time limits for the thread overall, and other helpful rules.

As someone who enjoys writing combat, who's focus on building character strength is through combat, and as a frequent PvPer, I believe an updated to the PvP rules would be beneficial.

[Ilheod]

So, first I would like to clarify that I am not speaking as a moderator, but as someone who has pvped on the site, and spent almost eight years doing exclusively pvp roleplay. I am simply expounding my own thoughts after heaving read what you linked.

While shared time is a relatively staple concept, I don't feel it should be iterated because honestly it comes down to fairly common sense in the concept of passage of time itself. If You throw an ax at someone, and they react after the ax is thrown it's fairly obvious that you can not take back your ax throw.

One thing however I did notice on those rules that I did want to emphasize, was npcs. I'll use the example of my own character Ilheod. His Wyvern, though his mount, is able to fight with him. As can all mounted unit's mounts. However to further compound on this, one of the things that we tend to try and keep realistic is the environment and settings. If a character has allied npcs near them in a fire emblem game, and gets attacked, an option is to realistically send in support. This should not change simply because the attacking unit is an another roleplayer.

If a one on one duel was intended that would have to be explicitly communicated between the two roleplayers prior, and honestly it often is.

This all being said I can say that PvP to the death has, to my knowledge, been fairly scarce. On-top of that, most of the times when a disagreement broke out during one it wasn't because someone explicitly broke rules that can be read on the site as much as it was an underestimation of the opposing character or overestimation of their own.

However.

I will suggest examining it on the mod-board and talk to Hal and Don and get their thoughts on it from a modly perspective. Either way, your opinions and concerns have not gone unseen!

[Kenshin]

I would like to throw this into the hat without a definite response. How the fight goes down is up to how you write it. If you gave a poor description of how your attack goes through then it's on you if the other person post in a manner you didn't "agree" with. Just like roleplaying anything the other person has so much to work with is based on what you write.

As somebody who's done PvP here with those rules, I can say when you go into detail it makes everybody's lives easier which is something the current rules does state. I've had fights where we both were happy because we gave enough detail to envision how the attack was coming and how our character would react as well as something that left one of us clueless how it actually happened and responded based on what was written and they weren't happy because in their head their attack was different than what the wrote.

IMO, PvP or even when it comes to PvE fighting there NEEDS to be communication between both parties if one person doesn't give you a clear enough picture. Even in PvE fighting you could have a wombo combo that's amazing if you check with the other person if their attack is going on the way you think it is.

tl;dr communication is the key for any good RPing. When it comes to PvP where it could lead to a character death you should be communicating either way so you're both happy with the results, not an admin/mod response but a player view.