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Post by Clair Feldsky on Jun 15, 2011 20:59:14 GMT -6
What have you got to say for yourself, Ms. Unpromoted General?
... (actually, I don't have a lot of room to talk. It took me till 350 to promote. <_<)
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Selibas
Hero
The Little Wolf
My Word is Iron.
Posts: 455
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Post by Selibas on Jun 15, 2011 21:05:15 GMT -6
I know I'm silly for using the term "Team" for a military unit. But unit didn't work and force was taken, I panicked.
Also I doubt Yaen enjoys the promotion of sillyness in his thread.
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Marle Daviau
General
The Lance of the North
One word of encouragement, One person believing in me, It's all I need to become stronger.
Posts: 436
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Post by Marle Daviau on Jun 15, 2011 21:05:42 GMT -6
What!? Promoting to General is a big step from Knight! Can't just receive snazzy armor and bam, General material!
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Selibas
Hero
The Little Wolf
My Word is Iron.
Posts: 455
Etruria Fame: -1
Bern Fame: 4
Illia Fame: -3
Profession: Khan
Guild: Tribe of Sacae
Affinity: Ice
OoC Alias: Selibas
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Post by Selibas on Jun 15, 2011 21:07:29 GMT -6
Snazzzey! *Jazz Hands*
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Aaron Winsett
Sage
Seeker of Knowledge
Knowledge is a weapon. I intend to be formidably armed.
Posts: 419
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Profession: Student of Magic
OoC Alias: Feldsky
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Post by Aaron Winsett on Jun 15, 2011 21:27:40 GMT -6
What!? Promoting to General is a big step from Knight! Can't just receive snazzy armor and bam, General material! That's what you did for the Squire-Knight promotion xD Also, I don't know... Did the Sacaen Canoe Team pay for their canoe licenses this year? I'm sure Sacaen Central Command would want them to.... lol Who gets the money from the licenses, anyway?
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Selibas
Hero
The Little Wolf
My Word is Iron.
Posts: 455
Etruria Fame: -1
Bern Fame: 4
Illia Fame: -3
Profession: Khan
Guild: Tribe of Sacae
Affinity: Ice
OoC Alias: Selibas
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Post by Selibas on Jun 15, 2011 21:47:31 GMT -6
Well as the hypothetical commander of several nonexistant teams, including The Chinchilla Strikeforce and the Red, White, and Feucia squad, I'll tell you, Permits are useless when you're out on those waves. It's you, the ocean, and your elite force of Rowing Chinchilas (spelled incorrectly due to being lazy). The payment goes to hunting polar bears with the help of anti-owl terrorists.
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Post by Richter Abend on Jun 15, 2011 23:17:56 GMT -6
I agree with Marle. Ones promotion to second class is important. Heck, I spent 150 posts unpromoted when I should have been promoted.
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Yaen
Swordmaster
Prince of Blades Mad Swordsman
Now let's play the Song of Swords.
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Post by Yaen on Jun 16, 2011 0:33:24 GMT -6
I had to fight KENSHIN to promote. Bet you're happy you just had to wait those 150 posts now, huh?
Edit: Oh, and in response to Richter, because Clair had Lance-Captain and had established early on that it was a low rank. And it hurt because the Navy has a specific set of ranks different than those of the Army, Marines, and Airforce, called the 'Admirality'. Captains of the Navy are like Colonels of the other three branches.
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Post by Richter Abend on Jun 16, 2011 11:11:42 GMT -6
You lived, didn't you? 150 posts is a LONG time.
I know that, but Lance-Captain is a made up role. It goes against protocol, but if we wanted to, we could just drop it below commander.
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Hal
Soldier
Wings of Courage
I've got 99 problems and Elesia caused every one.
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Post by Hal on Jun 16, 2011 16:17:31 GMT -6
I had to fight KENSHIN to promote. Bet you're happy you just had to wait those 150 posts now, huh? Edit: Oh, and in response to Richter, because Clair had Lance-Captain and had established early on that it was a low rank. And it hurt because the Navy has a specific set of ranks different than those of the Army, Marines, and Airforce, called the 'Admirality'. Captains of the Navy are like Colonels of the other three branches. Well to be fair you didn't get the fight(due to me disapearing ;_;) it was implied after we started it.
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Marle Daviau
General
The Lance of the North
One word of encouragement, One person believing in me, It's all I need to become stronger.
Posts: 436
Illia Fame: 2
Affinity: Ice
OoC Alias: Marle
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Post by Marle Daviau on Jun 16, 2011 20:45:45 GMT -6
Seriously, why are we still dredging about Lance-Captains?
I made it up.
It's there now.
Deal with it.
This is a fictional universe, it isn't so hard to imagine a fake rank. I'm well aware of Army ranks and roles, as I am with the Navy ones. In Feudal times, there really wasn't that many ranks at all, it was much, much simpler.
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Post by Gabriel on Jun 16, 2011 22:11:41 GMT -6
Yeah. It was more like "I'm the king, and I say this guy right here will lead the entire army and navy. Call him Mr. 'KickYourAss'. Or just Cap'n. Your call. Meanwhile, I will lead the world as 'That guy who became king because he wanted to. And damn, was he good'".
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Marle Daviau
General
The Lance of the North
One word of encouragement, One person believing in me, It's all I need to become stronger.
Posts: 436
Illia Fame: 2
Affinity: Ice
OoC Alias: Marle
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Post by Marle Daviau on Jun 16, 2011 22:13:20 GMT -6
So you're Duke Nukem?
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Post by Gabriel on Jun 16, 2011 22:27:01 GMT -6
Wait, what? No. But now that I look at what I wrote again, it does sound like something he'd say. Dunno, haven't ever played a DN game.
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Post by Virgil von Visconti on Aug 12, 2011 18:51:21 GMT -6
If I might throw my hat into this car wreck, I believe that the CO and NCO positions adequately reflect Royal and Non-royal positions. And I am also in agreement with Marle, that your chart is far too developed for the units we have, and would have some un-necessary roles. As a player, with a description of rank I would want a description of privileges, as that would be far more helpful role-play wise; obviously this rank system should be based around the logic of real-life, the logic of Fire Emblem and the logic of WotW.
With this in mind I must ask about the question of Logisitcs. As far as I can tell, commissioned positions require the implementation of Strategy; or long term planning to win the war. As far as I can tell this basically means Logistical awareness, or knowledge of all units strengths, knowing how to divide up your forces for maximum gains within a time constraint, and making sure troops are fed, taking places that are beneficial to your goal and/or detrimental to the enemy with lower-commissioned officers being used as a means of implementing some vital component to this plan, such as one who is meant to call in an air strike or confirm the delivery of packages, and one who makes sure the troops are not deviating from the overall strategy. If I am correct in this assumption, then in our setting Nobility would certainly serve as the higher ranking positions, and men they found trustworthy and competent would most assuredly serve as lower ranking officers.
With this said, I have yet to see anyone role play logistics. I have yet to see a plan or dictation of strategy on a massive scale, and I have yet to see an CO stop an NCO from doing his job because of orders; so as my military buds would say "this lack of bullcrap is bullcrap." Or as I will say, let us assume that CO positions and ranks will be made up on the spot.
With this in mind, I see the ranks as something of a early firearms era tactics. Due to the existence of wizards; and bows being pretty much the magic of those too unlucky to be wizards. Unfortunately mages seem too few in number to actually make a firing line, but they serve well as anti-armor or long-range artillery; and of course a firing line of mages would be the ideal strategy in the Nabata Desert.
I will also assume that classes have nothing to do with rank. Except Lords, who are obviously blue-blooded nobles whose only reason for stat growth is they were rich enough to afford private training and education.
With these fact in mind it seems every army would need these ranks put in order of importance, giving as generic a name as possible so they may be adapted (for example, multiple warriors depending on if they use a bow, or ride or horse, or something like that.):
TL;DR: BELOW ARE RANKS IN THEIR MOST BASIC FORM. CHOOSE ONES THAT FIT YOUR CULTURE BEST.
Warrior - Give the guy a sword and tell him to put the pointy end in another man. Throw him into boot camp so you know if hes better at anything else, and to improve the chances of the stab actually killing.
Informers - Runners, Messengers and information handlers of all sorts. For soldiers who scout the enemy fields and report back, or for those who gather information of all sorts.
Vanguard - The soldier meant to stall the enemy, hold them on the bridge, or hold their attention. The tanks who can take the hits and give some time. The ideal defensive men. These men are probably also the team leader of a small team.
Specialists - Snipers, artillery, Sword masters, Halberdiers. People in a league of their own with nothing but themselves on the battlefield. Alternatively, people who make weapons, fix weapons or contribute something unique and useful to the team. They must be in a category of their own.
Team Leader - These men are the leaders of a team. They coordinate tasks within that team to make it work. What more is there to say?
Driller - Responsible for teaching one person how to stab another person, and making sure they don't accidentally stab the wrong person. Probably the Group Leader. A lance-captain might be one of these, since they are responsible for teaching newbies how to use a lance. Assuming that is the most basic weapon of your country it would make sense.
Group Leader - Soldiers who coordinate two or more groups, acting as a center of tactical information; making sure that the two groups work in step. A good example might be "A sergeant needs to take a house. Send one group in to attack, and another as back up. Or in the event of a house where landing on the top or bottom is possible, he is the one who makes sure that both groups manage to survive and work to benefit one another. Lance-Captain might be one of these if your country designated multiple groups by weapon types. Perhaps one group of knights/generals in front of javelin wielding soldier/halberdiers.
Force Leader - Responsible for handling multiple groups. For example, if the warriors needed to take a city block. They would tell the sergeants to go into their respective houses and take up a position of clean-up, defense or damage control with their own group. A normal captain would fall under this.
Division Leader - Responsible for the tactics behind the captivity of an entire section of a town or city block. In this universe these are commonly the bosses, in charge of protecting the city gate.
City Leader - responsible for tactically coordinating each block in order to take or defend a city. Each block will have a specific time limit, layout and priority and it is up to you to make sure that you survive with as few of your own dying as possible.
County Leader - Responsible for multiple towns, I would assume for a strategic resource.
Duchy leader - multiple towns and a fortress.
Kingdom Leader - Multiple Duchies.
Empire Leader - Multiple Kingdoms.
etc. theoretical mutli-world leaders and multi-galactic leader positions are possible; but have not even been named in the real world. But something that remains is they are assumed to be the ones who work the best with what resources the Logistical officers allow.
In this way Commanding officers use best out of what they have been given by Executive Officers and their respected leader to complete the objective desired by said executives.
The highest ranking Commanding officers from these categories are probably advisory roles to various Executive Officers, helping them to make decisions.
it is worth noting that I think there should be a separate ranking system, not unlike Warrant Officers, for Mages. Since their versatility and blood-line should deserve special treatment; and be specially implemented.
Choose your rank based on what category you fall into above.
EDIT: FORGOT SPECIALISTS
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