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Post by Kenshin on May 21, 2007 6:36:07 GMT -6
My major beef with the PS3 is that Sony screwed its fans over by setting the price so high. I don't want to pay 500-600 dollars for a VIDEO GAME SYSTEM. I have trouble getting the spare funds together for a DS, let alone have that much to spare. I could legitimately ask for a Wii for Christmas, but my parents would laugh at me if I asked for a PS3. That and the Wii looks fun to play. It's how I pictured video games becoming eventually. I have to agree with Draco here. While the PS3 did have some pretty awesome exclusives at first, they are all but gone. Devil May Cry 4? Nope. Guitar Hero? Try again. The yet to be released Rock Band? Forget it. Virtua Fighter? Not anymore. About the only exclusive games left it has are Metal Gear Solid 4, Tekken, and Ratchet & Clank(which is not even that popular). And the fact that Square is saying "**** you sony" by releaseing new FF games on other system too, not the PS3 only like they basilcy did with the PS2. IMO the MGS series started to go down hill around the part where you play as Radien in MGS2.
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Post by Matis on May 21, 2007 11:42:55 GMT -6
Actually, Squeenix supports all three companies. Nintendo- GBA:
I&II - Dawn of Souls IVA VA VIA Tactics Advance
- DS:
III Fables - Chocobo Tales(Mystery Dungeon style FTW!) XII - Revenant Wings IV(Coming!) Tactics Advance 2(Known as FF Tactics A2. Not yet released either) Crystal Chronicles - Rings of Fate(Yet to be released)
- GC:
Crystal Chronicles
- Wii:
Crystal Chronicles - The Crystal Bearers
Microsoft:- PC:
XI XI - Chains of Promathia XI - The Vana'diel Collection XI - Treasures of Aht Urhgan XI - The Vana'diel Collection 2007 XI - Altana no Kamihei(to be released this year)
- X360:
XI XI - Altana no Kamihei(same as PC version)
Sony- PS2:
X X-2 X-2 International + Last Mission(what the hell is the difference?) XI XI - Girade no Genei XI - Chains of Promathia XI - Treasures of Aht Urhgan XI - Altana no Kamihei(meh) XII XII International Zodiac Job System VII - Dirge of Cerberus
- PSP:
I - Anniversary Edition II - Anniversary Edition Tactics - The War of the Lions(PSX's Tactics 'remake') VII - Crisis Core Dissidia(to be announced)
- PS3:
XIII Versus XIII
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Post by Kenshin on May 22, 2007 1:21:51 GMT -6
Sony: 17 Nintendo: 13(6 ports) Microsoft: 8
SE has been backing sony more then the other two. But after their contract is up with sony they are going to other systems as well.
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Post by Matis on May 22, 2007 11:22:32 GMT -6
And the fact that Square is saying "**** you sony" by releaseing new FF games on other system too, not the PS3 only like they basilcy did with the PS2. You just contradicted yourself there. First you say that Squeenix is not supporting Sony, and now you say that they do. SE has been backing sony more then the other two. Hypocrite much? >_> Anyway...While SE does support Sony more, it's Nintendo the one getting all the benefits. A remake of a never-released-abroad game(FFIII), and a remake of one of the most popular FFs out there(FFIV), plus the fact that they also announced a remake of FFV(for the DS as well)... And let's not forget the popularity of Tactics Advance. I, like many others, think it sucked(just like FF7). But the game has a large fanbase. PSP may be getting a port of the original PSX game, but DS is getting a sequel to the newer Tactics game.
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Post by Kenshin on May 23, 2007 2:53:02 GMT -6
So a contract saying if SE is going to put a FF game on a consue it has to be on the PS2 says I'm a hyprocite that contradicted myself? Also if your going to quote me, QUOTE EVERYTHING I SAY. Leaveing out that last part does change what I said. Also if you would take the time to think about what I said you would notice "new FF games" Over 75% of the ones on Nintendo aren't new, something we've played before. Almost every PS2 one, execpt for one, was brand new, freshly created. The xbox got the same stuff the PS2 already had and I'm guessing alot later then the ps2.
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Post by Matthias on May 23, 2007 9:59:12 GMT -6
Sony had Square-Enix during the entire PS2 run. That's one of the major leg ups the PS2 had, along with GTA and a few other exclusive titles (MGS, several SRPGs). Now, however, they're branching.
Nintendo is, as Kenshin's pointed out, getting a LOT of ports. A sickening amount of ports. The only new things Nintendo's gotten lately are Crystal Chronicles, and Tactics Advance. We all know how those turned out. (Though the Tactics for the DS looks sweet).
I'm going to go with Kenshin, and say that Square-Enix did favor Sony just a little (sarcasm). Though, as you've both said, they're branching now. BTW, from what i can tell, Kenshin pointed out the massive amount of PS2 SE games, and said that now SE is ready to ditch Sony (another sign of Sony's demise).
And we'll probably never see many SE games on X-Box. That console doesn't do well in Japan, and that's where SE is. All they're getting is the leftovers from other systems.
(if you look at other SE games, including the popular DQ series, you'd see that it still highly favors PS2, but with some modern branching).
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Post by Matis on May 23, 2007 11:57:35 GMT -6
Still, my point stands. You said that SE has a "**** you Sony" attitude. Why, then, is PS3 getting only new games, and not the ports of games we have played to death already? That shows SE actually prefers Sony more than Nintendo. But yes, Sony is doomed right now. Unless they come up with something and fast, the PS3 will fall in a year or so. N-Gage, anyone? About not putting your entire post... Sony: 17 Nintendo: 13(6 ports) Microsoft: 8 SE has been backing sony more then the other two. But after their contract is up with sony they are going to other systems as well. I don't know about you, but, 'as well' is normally used in this sense: 'I play tennis. I play football as well.' So, I play tennis AND football. So, what you were saying is that once SE's contract with Sony was over, they would ALSO going to make games for other systems(thus, not leaving Sony at all). They're doing that now, and have been doing it since the release of the GBA/GC. That makes said part of your post entirely irrelevant to the matter.
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Post by Sergey on May 23, 2007 15:21:25 GMT -6
I know quite a few people that would be most insulted if you call Tactics Advance a port of Tactics. Furthermore, as far as i know FF XIII is a PS3 exclusieve title still. The main serie is staying with Sony. An that's where the money is.
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Post by Matis on May 23, 2007 17:11:46 GMT -6
I never said any of those two things, Alan.
I mentioned Nintendo getting mostly ports, but the thing is, those ports are actually better than the newer games. We'll see about XIII, but... As far as I've heard, X, X-2 and XII are nowhere near as good as the older games.
And I called 'War of the Lions' a port of the PSX's Tactics, because that's what it is(albeit one or two added things, but that isn't enough for it to be called a remake). Tactics Advance is a whole different game. Which actually was quite bad. But at least, it was a new game.
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Post by Kenshin on May 24, 2007 0:03:15 GMT -6
Still, my point stands. You said that SE has a "**** you Sony" attitude. Why, then, is PS3 getting only new games, and not the ports of games we have played to death already? That shows SE actually prefers Sony more than Nintendo. But yes, Sony is doomed right now. Unless they come up with something and fast, the PS3 will fall in a year or so. N-Gage, anyone? About not putting your entire post... Sony: 17 Nintendo: 13(6 ports) Microsoft: 8 SE has been backing sony more then the other two. But after their contract is up with sony they are going to other systems as well. I don't know about you, but, 'as well' is normally used in this sense: 'I play tennis. I play football as well.' So, I play tennis AND football. So, what you were saying is that once SE's contract with Sony was over, they would ALSO going to make games for other systems(thus, not leaving Sony at all). They're doing that now, and have been doing it since the release of the GBA/GC. That makes said part of your post entirely irrelevant to the matter. Like I said THINK about it. They've been putting all of the main FF games on sony systems. After the contract they will give other systems the main ones too. So instead of FF XIII being like an exclusive they'll put it of multiple systems. So me useing "as well" fits in perfectly. Like Sony is getting the main FF games as well Nintendo and Microsoft.
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Post by Alan on May 24, 2007 3:16:11 GMT -6
I agree, Matis. IV and VI are pretty the best and a complete remake will be better then anything that the PS3 will get, I'm willing to bet on that. But the FF XIII will sell far better. And Sony is defintally not getting bankrupt in a year. It's just a ridiculous notion. N-Gage went south, but Nokia is still going. Even if the succesur of the two best selling consoles ever will phail and taken out of production Sony still wouldn't go bankrupt.
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Post by Matis on May 24, 2007 12:46:43 GMT -6
I didn't mean it that way. But...having failed once makes them be less reliable. People might not want to buy a PS4, if it even comes out.
And now I get your point, Ken. But it'd have been much easier if you had said 'their contract about the main line/games of the series' or something of the like.
Remember Sega? The Genesis was awesome, and sold a lot. Saturn wasn't nearly as popular. But Sega was(and is) still strong. They developed the DreamCast, which sold better than the Saturn, but still nowhere near as close as the sells for the N64 and PSX(and the sells went lower when the PS2, GC and Xbox came out).
As a result, Sega turned down on consoles, and now devotes it's money to developing games only. Sony might turn out the same way, if the PS3 and it's successor fail. THAT's what I meant by doomed.
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Post by Alan on May 24, 2007 13:07:53 GMT -6
i doubt the PS3 will fall, the crowd just isn't smart enough. The PS3 isn't really all that more expensieve then the older consoles back in the day. And they still have their main bestsellers: Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid. It's lack of progress over the years that concerns me.
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Post by Matis on May 24, 2007 13:36:04 GMT -6
It isn't that much more expensive...maybe. But it IS more expensive than consoles which provide equal levels of fun. So what if the PS3 has a blu-ray player built in? Until those take off, I doubt that'll be of much use.
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Post by Kenshin on May 24, 2007 14:11:06 GMT -6
Matis sony doesn't make any games of their own. The only good sony game I've played was on the playstation and they didn't even make a sequal for it. Legand of Dragoon.
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