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Post by redd on Apr 22, 2006 4:24:10 GMT -6
I know this isn't Gamefaqs but, [glow=red,2,300]PERSONAL EXPERIENCE MEANS NOTHING![/glow] You seem to forget that Wyvern don't only have dodge but also 2 stats that they have forgotten to add to Pegasi: HP and Def. Your Pegasi can dodge you say, but the RNG isn't reliable. If a [glow=red,2,300]lance user hits them they die[/glow], if an [glow=red,2,300]axeuser hits them they die[/glow], if a [glow=red,2,300]archer hits them they die[/glow], if a sword user with decent Str hits them they die. With wyverns it is different, they may not dodge quite as much but they can survive a blow from a sword or lance user. Hypocrite Lance users do not kill Pegusus Knights, at higher levels, in one blow, neither does Axe users or archers. If you were refering to them whilst they were low levels. Then the same applies to Wyverns except maybe swap lance for magic-users Anyways, back on discussion. Read below about the horrible, terrible, shocking uselessness of Wyvern riders. Joining time, low speed at the start compared to most enemy units (mainly due to joining time and level). That means lack of dodging when they join and also lack of double attacks, (I don't know whether enemies double attack them seeing as I don't use them much). That makes training them hard. And seeing as I already have Florina and Fiora, why would I want another flying unit that starts off with a fairly low-ish level and is weak against bows (Until a high-ish level) and magic and anti Wyvern weapons. Or should I stick with my high-ish level Florina and Fiora? (Rhetorical, duh!) And Matthias about the bubbly personality thing, think Florina (especially Florina >.>), Vanessa, Fiora, Tate, Syrene and Yuno (kinda). Fin. Until Alan writes something else.
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Zeiss
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Post by Zeiss on Apr 22, 2006 6:07:54 GMT -6
Before anything I am going to have to ask you to stop acting like Pegasi are such peerless dodgers, give them something heavier then a Iron Lance and their AS will start phailing.
Fiora Lvl: 15 Hp: 27 Str: 11 Skl: 16 Spd: 17 Def: 8 Res: 11 Lck: 8 Con: 5
Florina Lvl: 15 Hp: 25 Str: 11 Skl: 14 Spd: 17 Def: 6 Res: 9 Lck: 14 Con: 4
Heath Lvl: 7 Hp: 28 Str: 11 Skl: 8 Spd: 7 Def: 10 Res: 1 Lck: 7 Con: 9
(1 > = 1 point) Hp: Heath>Fiora>>Florina Str: Even Skl: Florina>>Fiora>>>>>>Heath Spd: Fiora=Florina>>>>>>>>>>Heath Def: Heath>>Fiora>>Florina Res: Fiora>>Forina>>>>>>>>Heath Lck: Florina>>>>>>Fiora>Heath Con: Heath>>>>Fiora>Florina
It is very unlikely that you get Florina to 15 so soon, Fiora even more so but since it is implied that you do I will go through this. In raw defense Heath can still beat the Peggy despite their more then double level advantage, In the damage they all amazingly have 11 but Heath is the only one who I can recommend the Iron Lance too because you believe dodge>everything else, Heath gets vaporized in Hit, Avoid and Res.
All in all since you won't run into any Wyvern slaying weapons throughout FE7 Heath still has some existence right in non-magic combat because he will always be able to take more hits then the Peggy's.
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Post by Matthias on Apr 22, 2006 17:58:35 GMT -6
I've never had a problem with AS on pegasi, and they aren't peerless dodgers. That what the thief does (can't do anything else to save their lives). have had that problem with wyvern riders, but not Pegasi. I'll assume that's a problem for others, or based on stats. Whatever.
Another thing to look at is supports. Most of the wyvern riders supports aren't all that great. Nearly every Peg Knight gets some good supports. Florina = Lyn, Hector. Fiora = Kent, Sain. OF course, this is based on the chars I use more often, so it's probably null. I do know that Heath gets Legault and Priscilla.
And there's a difference between bad luck one time, and multiple problems. My play style doesn't jam well with wyvern riders. From the sounds of it, neither does Flyssa's. That being said, I sincerely doubt any of us is going to convince the others to give up.
BTW, my pegasus knights are generally some of my highest level chars. I like having a unit that can handle magic users often, and have the mobility necassary.
I'd still use a wyvern rider, if I liked any of thier personalities. Okay, the pegasi knights aren't all bubbly, but they still have strong personalities. The wyvern knight personality is: Loyal warrior, who won't betray... silent badass... or complete jerk. The loyal warrior is rather intriguing, but not enough for me to drop my pegasi.
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Post by Alan on Apr 23, 2006 2:36:00 GMT -6
Maybe the personely of the wyverns aren't all that good but look at the peggy's: Shy girl: Florina, Thany(?) loyal merc/knight: Vanessa, Yuuno, Tate, Fiora, Syrene. Stereotype princess: Tana. Needless to say I prefer the wyverns, I will get the supports up in a moment, don't post.
Heath: Thunder Partners: Vaida, Priscella, Legault, Kent, Louise Vaida A and Priscella B Dmg: +2.5 Def: +2.5 Hit: +12.5 Eva: +20 Crit: +25 This is Heath best support combo IMO.
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Post by Matthias on Apr 23, 2006 7:55:15 GMT -6
I figured Heath was good. He's a good char, it doesn't surprise me. And Thany's personality is not "shy girl" by a long shot. The others... well... you got me there. As I said, I don't see the point in arguing, as we're not going to convince each other.
That, and this isn't the place to argue this. We're supposed to use this thread to talk about the stories.
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