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Post by Matthias on Oct 12, 2006 14:28:47 GMT -6
So, I'm thinking about picking up the game again. It's been a few months since I played it, and I'm really starting to miss it again. But, I don't know who I want to use when I play it. That's where you all come in. Just for fun, I'd like to hear some arguments for using various characters. I like supports, and prefer if the characters come in at least twos, so that I can use them. I also plan on using all three lords, and want about nine other characters (I think twelve's a good group size, it's been awhile).
So, my roster so far... Lyn Eliwood Hector _____ (Pegasus, or other flyer) _____ (archer, or I'll go nuts) _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____
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Post by Matis on Oct 13, 2006 11:33:58 GMT -6
Florina, Rebecca, Canas, Lucius(if you like light magic), Serra(replaced by Priscilla once you get her).
You pick the rest. Never liked anyone else in my game.
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Sokka
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Post by Sokka on Oct 13, 2006 15:20:25 GMT -6
Florina pwns in speed and strength
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Post by Alan on Oct 14, 2006 4:31:08 GMT -6
Eliwood, Lyn, Hector, Rebecca, Raven, Florina, Lucius, Priscella, Oswin, Sain, Pent and either Bartre, Canas or Dart. Trust me, this is the best team and it gives you some good support combinations.
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Oct 14, 2006 17:19:33 GMT -6
Ditch an archer for rath. Rath may not be able to use balista (pretty useless anyway), but he is mounted and has swords on promotion. Only problem with rath is that when you get him, he's underleveld (eliwood/hector mode), so it's best to Lundregen abuse him. He ends up around the same as ther archers iirc, but his mount and swords makes him more effective.
Fiora is a better flier than florina. Fiora has better con, str and res and HP. I think florina only has better speed. Both should max it anyway, so florina's higher speed isn't much. And fiora's higher con would make her use weapons better anyway.
Canas for his monoply on dark magic
Lucius is an amazing unit. His only flaws is his defence. Support him with raven to get it up a bit.
Priscilla. She's mounted and has a higher magic base than serra (come on? 2 magic?), so she is more effective at healing. And she gets anima magic, and she can use fire without speed loss, unlike serra that looses AS with lightning. That should cover you for magic. If you really need to have anima then use pent too.
So if well Raven needs to support with lucius. And he is a great unit. Good strength, and speed. Decent defence/res. Bit low on con, but he'll live.
Legault as your theif. Don't make him a permanant character though. Assassins aren't that great (assassinate is relativly useless. 99% of normal crits would kill the enemy anyway, and no steal). He'll be best as just somebody to open doors/chests and a good fog seer. And the reason why I say legault is because he is a better theif than matt. Legault makes it so you don't really need to train him. And he has higher con, better def, res, and lck than matt. So he takes hits better than him, and dodges better (speed is relativly the same, but legault's luck adds some more avoid). And legault's ice affinity gives him defence, and avoid bonuses. Making him much harder to kill. But, if your not really using him, your probably not supporting him. So meh.
If you want a paladin, then use Sain. Sain's overkill strength makes him a clear win over kent's small def, spd and mild skl lead. Oh and sain has a very high luck lead too. Kent usually averages around 8/9 while Sain get's around 20/21 luck. Sain doesn't really have to worry about those crits as much.
Oswin if you want a general.
For axes, hector should have you covered for a while.
That's twelve, if you choose a paladin and oswin. If not then take these suggestions.
Pent's high staff and anima levels make him a good unit. And his bases make him rng proof. If you have to have a good anima user, then use pent. Pricsilla will have too low weapon levels in it.
Guy makes a good swordmaster. He's an ok unit. Kinda weak, but meh.
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Post by Alan on Oct 15, 2006 3:26:04 GMT -6
Guy is bad, well all Swordmasters arein this game. Always use Oswin, he is the best unit in the game.
On the Florina/Fiora matter. They are pretty much dead even.
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Sokka
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Post by Sokka on Oct 15, 2006 5:34:51 GMT -6
Id go with Lyn as your main swordsmen. Once she promotes, and if you gove her the str ring in chapter 10, she pwns to the max. In one of my games, she has 21 str and ummm, 16or 17 def, i think. She also pwns in speed, luck and skill. If you give her a killer or even just the manni katti, she criticals everyone she sees, basiclly. (if she has a A with hector and B with Eliwood.) And she is a main lord, but even if she wasnt id still use her. She is always my first lord to make lvl 20 in both classes.
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Post by Alan on Oct 15, 2006 6:17:11 GMT -6
I'd say you got ck a few times Sokka, Lyn relly isn't something special. These are her average stats at 20/10. 10* Hp: 39 Str: 17 Sk: 26 Spd: 25 Def: 11 Res: 13 Lck: 20 Con: 6
She has high Speed, Skill and luck. Her Strength And HP is decent enough but she has bad Def, Res and Con. Good but interchangeable with Guy before promotion and she promotes pretty late. Your best swordman should be Raven. Still she is a Lord.
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Post by Matis on Oct 15, 2006 7:55:36 GMT -6
However, who needs strength and defense, when you evade EVERYTHING that is thrown at you? If I remember correctly, not even the dragon was able to hit her.
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Oct 15, 2006 10:17:17 GMT -6
However, who needs speed and defense, when you evade EVERYTHING that is thrown at you? If I remember correctly, not even the dragon was able to hit her. The dragon has 180+ hit. You need to have over 100 avoid to make the dragon go down to at least 90%. IIRC you can't get much higher than 100 avoid using the f**k**g sol katti that weighs so d**n much. Even with set litany. Lyn does like 4/5 damege max to the dragon and double attacks. Eliwood and Hector on average do around 20 damege to the dragon, and double. That's with durundal/armadas. And evasion isn't as relaibale as defence. 30-40% attacks still hit. If you have no means of defending yourself from that, your going down fast. Lucius averages around 7 defence iirc. Lucius has great speed. Too bad those 30-40% hits that actually hit, destroy him. The only reason to use lyn is to get geitz. But, I don't think matthais is going to want him anyway. Guy at least gets critical on promotion. Even if he is weak. And sokka, just because you got a good lyn, doesn't mean that everybody does. This game is highly based on luck. One character can turn out good one time, but then the next he/she could suck. You have to use averages to make some kind of point. Good example. Last game my bartre had 14 speed at 20/20, actually 12 if you don't count the speedwing I gave him. (although he had 23 defence no dragon sheilds ) Right now at level 12 fighter, in this next game, he has 10 speed.
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Post by Alan on Oct 15, 2006 14:12:22 GMT -6
However, who needs speed and defense, when you evade EVERYTHING that is thrown at you? If I remember correctly, not even the dragon was able to hit her. I take it you mean Strength. And Evade doesn't matter much if you take forever to kill someone.
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Post by Matis on Oct 15, 2006 18:01:29 GMT -6
Whoops. I did mean strength.
And MY Lyn, for some reason, seemed to critical a 95% of the time. That, coupled with the fact that she attacks twice, meant that even if the enemy survived the first critical, they would have to survive, either a normal attack, or yet ANOTHER critical hit. And since critical hits do 3x damage, you should see why she seemed so godly in my game.
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Oct 15, 2006 18:49:58 GMT -6
Yeah, but that doesn't mean jack for us.
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Post by Matis on Oct 16, 2006 8:21:55 GMT -6
I know. Hell, Serra can be your best attacker when promoted, and Hector can be complete crap. As far as being possible, it's possible, which is why this game is so "balanced", if you want.
What Matthias really wants here is reliable RNGs, or characters that get reliable stats. Lyn always had a good growth for me, same with Hector, Elliwood and Florina. That's why I suggested those.
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Post by Matthias on Oct 16, 2006 12:23:12 GMT -6
Let's see... what's the overall consensus here... Eliwood Hector Lyn Fiora/Florina Lucius (that one surprised me) Canas Priscilla Oswin Raven Legault (for theifness) Rath (another surprise) or Rebecca Guy Hmm... For some reason, guy always sucks for me. I've used him three times, and each time he turned out rather disappointing. I've used Rath before, and liked him well enough. It's still a toss up between the two pegasi riders...
I started the game before I looked here, and set up a team based on my supports. Doesn't look too good though... but I"m only on Eliwood Normal. I've been trying to get a good team together so I can finally take on some hard modes... so I'll use these teams. Here's my team (in some cases, unfortunately) Eliwood Hector Lyn Rath Legault Heath Erk Serra Oswin Guy Wil I think Raven... not entirely sure Kinda disapointed with the whole Serra and Matthew thing. Those are two of my favorite characters, yet they are weaker than their counterparts (Priscilla and Legault). What's up with all the wyvern hate? I know I don't like them (they always do bad), but it still threw me off. Anyway, it won't take me long to blast through a normal game, then I can try the hard version.
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