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Post by Kenshin on Dec 17, 2006 14:54:27 GMT -6
Yeah but Metroid and such should recieve more rep too. Sakurai knows diddy exsists he was on the melee GC cover. Plus Diddy already has a moveset written out for him and Diddy was the 2nd most requested character. Young Link could use all the weapons he had in SSBM, you forget Y.Link was the main character of every zelda game except Zelda 2, TP and half of OoT. ARE YOU STUPID? None of the links in all of the games aren't the same. The only time it was the same Link was in OoT, then MM. They have DIFFERNT story lines so how could it be the same verson? They never gave ages for link in the older ones. Hell in WW they say "the same age as the hero" and he looks young. But when you go to get the master sword it shows "adult" Link. Even if the link looks young, that don't mean he is young. OoT and MM are the only ones that has "kid" and "adult" versons. Also if your going to try to say that Y. Link used all them weapons, why use the OoT's Y. Link? Wait they had to give him Link's weapons becuase he wouldn't have enough and since they had Y. Link they had to keep him alot alike his older verson.
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Post by Brad on Dec 17, 2006 16:25:58 GMT -6
Yeah but Metroid and such should recieve more rep too. Sakurai knows diddy exsists he was on the melee GC cover. Plus Diddy already has a moveset written out for him and Diddy was the 2nd most requested character. Young Link could use all the weapons he had in SSBM, you forget Y.Link was the main character of every zelda game except Zelda 2, TP and half of OoT. ARE YOU STUPID? None of the links in all of the games aren't the same. The only time it was the same Link was in OoT, then MM. They have DIFFERNT story lines so how could it be the same verson? They never gave ages for link in the older ones. Hell in WW they say "the same age as the hero" and he looks young. But when you go to get the master sword it shows "adult" Link. Even if the link looks young, that don't mean he is young. OoT and MM are the only ones that has "kid" and "adult" versons. Also if your going to try to say that Y. Link used all them weapons, why use the OoT's Y. Link? Wait they had to give him Link's weapons becuase he wouldn't have enough and since they had Y. Link they had to keep him alot alike his older verson. I know they are all different but in MM Y. Link could do all of that stuff he could in SSBM. In the older games Link was supposodly only like 10-12 according Shigeru Miyamoto, I know there are different but they are the same age and the same character (just a different person, Zelda confuses me )
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Dec 18, 2006 16:15:31 GMT -6
Are you talking about on the Sacred Stones boards? I'm sick of the trolls being idiots there, I'm also sick of the anti-trolls calling the trolls idiots, it's pathetic. Lu Azra or whatever his name is, is an idiotic fanboy and I can not stand him and his stupid comments, pikablu just doesn't know what he's talking about, some prepromotes are great, just look at Pent, Louise and Harken. If you knew anything, it would be that the trolls are the vets. And the anti trolls are the noobs. Trolls are fun people. Lu Aza isn't the greatest person, but he speaks truth on plenty of things.
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Post by Brad on Dec 19, 2006 3:08:19 GMT -6
If you knew anything, it would be that the trolls are the vets. And the anti trolls are the noobs. Trolls are fun people. Lu Aza isn't the greatest person, but he speaks truth on plenty of things. I mainly stick to the SSBB board so there trolls are noobs. I've only see Lu say things like "Fire Emblem should never be on handhelds because it started on consoles" or "The Gameboy Advance Fire Emblem Games suck because they are on the Gameboy Advance" I tend to stay away from the FE boards at Gamefaqs.
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Post by Kenshin on Dec 19, 2006 12:05:38 GMT -6
ARE YOU STUPID? None of the links in all of the games aren't the same. The only time it was the same Link was in OoT, then MM. They have DIFFERNT story lines so how could it be the same verson? They never gave ages for link in the older ones. Hell in WW they say "the same age as the hero" and he looks young. But when you go to get the master sword it shows "adult" Link. Even if the link looks young, that don't mean he is young. OoT and MM are the only ones that has "kid" and "adult" versons. Also if your going to try to say that Y. Link used all them weapons, why use the OoT's Y. Link? Wait they had to give him Link's weapons becuase he wouldn't have enough and since they had Y. Link they had to keep him alot alike his older verson. I know they are all different but in MM Y. Link could do all of that stuff he could in SSBM. In the older games Link was supposodly only like 10-12 according Shigeru Miyamoto, I know there are different but they are the same age and the same character (just a different person, Zelda confuses me ) How is it confusing? Or are you just that stupid I completly understand the whole Time line thing too. That's the part that I think is most difficult to understand/explain; that OoT is not a part of the New Timeline. Let's pretend for a moment that in the Old Timeline, Young Link pulled the Master Sword from the Pedestal of Time on May 7th, 1246. Now, in the New Timeline, Link leaves for Termina on August 7th, 1246. That's what's meant by MM taking place three months after OoT. Because if you think about it, in the New Timeline, there is no need for Link to gather Spiritual Stones or pull out the sword, because there is no Ganon threatening Hyrule. Link simply wishes to look for Navi, so he leaves. So, that makes the New Timeline look like this.
The beginning of time and all events preceding TMC-TMC-FS-The Hero of Time's life until 3 months after he pulled the Master Sword in the Old Timeline-MM.
So yes, it is easier to just say Child OoT, but here I'm just explaining that the events of OoT never took place in the New Timeline.
Now, back in the Old Timeline, there is no Link. He's vanished because he was sent back in time by Zelda. So the Old Timeline continues Linkless and Ganonless until a few decades later, sometime before Twilight Princess, when a new Link is born, and Ganon breaks out of the Sacred Realm. We don't yet know the events of TP, but we do know that Ganon appears in TP and TWW, so if he is sealed away or killed in TP, he breaks out or is revived yet again. Now, the Old Timeline includes all the games after the ending of OoT, minus MM. So the Old Timeline looks like this.
The beginning of time and all events preceding TMC-TMC-FS-OoT-TP-TWW-all the rest of the games.
So, a quick recap
Old Timeline-The beginning of time and all events preceding TMC-TMC-FS-OoT-TP-TWW-all the rest of the games.
Zelda sending Link back at the end of OoT in the Old Timeline creates the New Timeline and makes a copy of all the events from the beginning of time, to the date that Link, in the Old Timeline, pulled the Master Sword out of the Pedestal of Time.
New Timeline-The beginning of time and all events preceding TMC-TMC-FS-The Hero of Time's life until 3 months after he pulled the Master Sword in the Old Timeline-MM.
Now, at the end of OoT, I've been told that you see young Link standing in the Temple of Time, presumably after Zelda sent him back. If this is the case, then Child OoT can be a part of the New Timeline, so ignore what I said about that earlier. This means that Link already would have collected all the Spiritual Stones and pulled the MS. If that's what you believe, then include Child OoT as part of the New Timeline. Then as for MM, Link would just leave three months after he got back to his own time, which is most likely right before he pulled out the MS. It all depends on where (well when, but whatever) you believe Zelda sent Link back to. If you believe it was before he did any Spiritual Stone collecting, go with the earlier explanation. If you believe it was just a little while before he pulled the Master Sword, go with the one in this paragraph.
Final Note, the Old and New timelines can also be called the Adult OoT timeline, and Child OoT timeline, if it's easier to remember, even though those terms may be less correct. I've also heard them called the Imprisoning War timeline and the MM timeline. So, pick the names you like best.
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Post by Brad on Dec 20, 2006 5:17:44 GMT -6
I've only played OoT but I know that not all the zelda games connect in one timeline. I'm not stupid just easily confused.
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Post by thegeneral on Aug 2, 2007 8:29:08 GMT -6
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Post by Matis on Aug 2, 2007 20:34:07 GMT -6
Not yet ANOTHER FE character...
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Post by Lumino on Aug 2, 2007 21:00:17 GMT -6
I'd assume that Link from OoA/OoS is the same as Link's Awakening, since he leaves on a ship very similar to the one that gets nuked in LA. Add to that, in the instruction manual that Link was "Away searching for greater powers. After a fruitful voyage, he decides to return to Hyrule."
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Post by thegeneral on Aug 3, 2007 7:10:23 GMT -6
One Link should be fine for SSBB
As for Ike, I'm sure they are going to get rid of either Roy or Marth. Marth is less known, but Roy is more of a powerhouse, as Ike will most likely be.
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Post by Kenshin on Aug 3, 2007 9:11:18 GMT -6
Marth... Less... Known? ROFL! XD! LAMO!
I'm sorry that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. FYI Ken the current Smash Bros Melee champ uses Marth, and the fact Marth is top teir alone is why they would keep him over roy. All Roy got for him is his counter. Marth's moves gives greater lag then Roy's.
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Post by Dirk Karavalenge on Aug 3, 2007 11:35:18 GMT -6
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Post by Matis on Aug 3, 2007 12:50:18 GMT -6
Marth... Less... Known? ROFL! XD! LAMO! I'm sorry that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. FYI Ken the current Smash Bros Melee champ uses Marth, and the fact Marth is top teir alone is why they would keep him over roy. All Roy got for him is his counter. Marth's moves gives greater lag then Roy's. "Top Tier" means nothing. They won't take Marth out simply because he's Fire Emblem's "mascot", sort of. Marth is the only character to have starred in 3 Fire Emblem games, one of them being the very first Fire Emblem game. The Japanese love him, and Nintendo is probably not going to take him out. If anything, Roy is gonna be kicked out(though I doubt it as well). I'm scared, though, because Nintendo said that only two characters per third party company would be allowed in SSB(in the series as a general, not only in Brawl). And Konami already has Solid Snake... I want a Castlevania character. Either Simon, Alucard or Soma, their three best known characters(followed closely by Ritcher). Any of them would make for awesome characters.
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Post by thegeneral on Aug 3, 2007 22:54:06 GMT -6
Marth... Less... Known? ROFL! XD! LAMO! I'm sorry that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. FYI Ken the current Smash Bros Melee champ uses Marth, and the fact Marth is top teir alone is why they would keep him over roy. All Roy got for him is his counter. Marth's moves gives greater lag then Roy's. I guarantee that 90% of most Americans who played SSBM were like "who the hell is this?" when they unlocked him. Oh and personally I think Roy>Marth
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Post by Matis on Aug 4, 2007 12:43:04 GMT -6
Marth... Less... Known? ROFL! XD! LAMO! I'm sorry that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. FYI Ken the current Smash Bros Melee champ uses Marth, and the fact Marth is top teir alone is why they would keep him over roy. All Roy got for him is his counter. Marth's moves gives greater lag then Roy's. I guarantee that 90% of most Americans who played SSBM were like "who the hell is this?" when they unlocked him. Oh and personally I think Roy>Marth Just to let you know, the Japanese are making this game. They simply care very little about what the rest of the world thinks. Marth is VERY popular in Japan, and as such, he would be preferred over Roy. This is the same when it comes to the "Tales of" series. Lloyd and Kratos might be FAR more popular in the USA, but Cless reigns over in Japan.
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