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Post by Matthias on Nov 11, 2006 14:05:42 GMT -6
Rebecca can't support with Eliwood. We all wish that were true... but it would be awkward considering the story line (it would make Wolt and Roy real brothers, unless the Eliwood/Rebecca thing was a friendship)
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Post by Sergey on Nov 11, 2006 14:12:32 GMT -6
I didn't say they had an ending. But sorry, I could have sworn they supported each other... Still Rebecca beats Wil in supports.
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Nov 11, 2006 14:14:35 GMT -6
Rebbecca doesn't need to support with Eliwood, she gets something like +5 attack, +25 hit, +25 crit, +25 avoid from AB combo with Dan and Lowen.
Rebbecca's edge on wil is that she has avoid and supports. Wil is sturdier, stronger and more con. Although both of them suck anyway, because snipers suck. Snipers are like swordmasters/beserkers of bows, but don't get anything on promotion besides caps. No special ability, no crit bonus no extra weapon, nothing. Using either rebbecca or wil for non support purposes is just dumb.
Rath is the best because he has a horse (nomadic horse, so better movement in like snow and rain), he gets swords on promotion, and his caps are pretty much the same anyway, even if he isn't going to cap much besides str. He ends up around the same as wil/rebbecca but with a horse and swords. So he is the best, only problem with him is that he's underleved. But a little lundregen abuse will fix that.
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Post by Sergey on Nov 11, 2006 14:20:21 GMT -6
You do know he has 10% Defence right?
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Nov 12, 2006 13:31:42 GMT -6
And he has a 7 defense base. And what, are you suggesting rebbecca is better? Who has a much inferior class, and only a little bit more speed and luck?
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Post by Alan on Nov 13, 2006 5:54:11 GMT -6
No i agree that Snipers are pathetic. But you left that out.
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Post by Matthias on Nov 13, 2006 14:14:02 GMT -6
Snipers aren't pathetic... though they really could've used that crit bonus. I guess the idea was "hey, they can use ballista! That should make up for the fact that we're gimping them everywhere else!" Though, I will admit that Rath has more utility than Rebecca. I still think that Rebecca's better at using a bow then Rath. She has the skills you want on a bow user, while Rath has skills for a more rounded individual. Of course, the rounding makes him a slightly better unit, though his supports suck (Wil and Guy, do I really need to say anything more?)
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Nov 13, 2006 19:55:50 GMT -6
Well yeah his supports suck. <_< And he also supports with lyn! THATS 3! D:<
What stat does rebecca have that rath does not? Skill is useless, and Rath's skill is fairly good. Rebecca has only a small speed lead that it's hardly significant to say she's better with a bow. Rath is stronger. Rath has more defence (high base and high promo bonus, low growth), and more HP. Rebecca has more resistance and less con. Rath can use heavier bows, deal more damage, take hits slightly better use swords too, and has a nomadic horse. Rebecca has balistae (useless), resistance, speed and luck and supports.
Her most significant lead is the supports, she has great while rath does not. Are you saying that better supports beats out on more damage, heavier weapon use, swords and nomadic horse?
You're a madman.
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Post by Matthias on Nov 14, 2006 16:24:32 GMT -6
If I'm making a group, I'd like that group to fully support each other. In order to do that with Rath, I'm going to have to use Wil or Guy. And i'm saying that if I'm not using the utility that Rath comes with, but simply focusing on bows, then I"m going to take Rebecca. The very stats you mentioned are the ones that you most want in a bow user. They have to be able to dodge, and it helps if they can resist magic, as that's one of the few things that can hit them at range. Also, that very horse you keep bragging about opens up weapons that are going to hurt horse-riders.
Conclusion: I'm not insane, I just have different priorities.
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Nov 14, 2006 17:32:14 GMT -6
So? Unit specific weapons are hardly ever seen in the hands of an enemy unit. And if they are, More than likely your unit isn't alone, and somebody else can take them down. And rath primarily uses bows, and no slayer weapon is ranged. He can freely attack them. Superior movement and aid easily outweighs the very small possibility that you happened to forget to kill the guy with the horse slaying weapon.
Enemy magic units are also insignificant and are generally some of the easiest to kill, along with brigands, and soldiers. Their low defense and heavy magic destroying their speed makes for an easy 1 or 2 hit kill with a physical unit. And your magic users generally are strong enough to take down enemy units with weapon advantage without much damage to them (enemies have low mag generally, your mages have good res). Rath isn't one of those people that gets destroyed by magic attacks. His resistance isn't that much lower than rebecca's. 20/20 resistances Rath: 13 Rebecca: 14
Yeah, her resistance is sooo much more useful.
Also, just because your support crazy doesn't mean it's useful in an argument. Supports are important yes, but if the only thing you have over the other unit is a good support lead, then that's not really getting you much. Rath may not have all sorts of supports, or any that grant good bonuses, but his other abilities out weigh that. And besides, you could just have Rath outside your support circle.
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Post by Alan on Nov 15, 2006 1:36:09 GMT -6
The fact that Rebecca can't defend herself up close is more important then being vulnarable against the occasional Horseslayer.
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Post by Kenshin on Nov 16, 2006 9:46:31 GMT -6
Ok lets say you got rath as the nomadic trooper and you just shot an arrow. How will he defend himself if out of nowhere a person with a horse slayer shows up and attacks him?
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Post by Matthias on Nov 16, 2006 14:26:51 GMT -6
You know, we've been debating archers, Rath isn't technically an archer...
Moving on to... Pegasus knights? We sort of discussed them, but not really... The next would be fighters.
My picks Peg Knight: Fiora Fighter: Bartre (another one that's not really a contest if you ask me...)
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Nov 16, 2006 18:41:03 GMT -6
Well Geitz is good competition.
And kenshin, enemy reinforcements come at the end of the enemy phase, not the begining like in fe6. And regardless, there is no reinforcement enemy to my knowledge that caries any slayer weapon ever. So your scenario isn't going to come into play, thus it is completely irrelevant and useless.
fiora.
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Post by Matis on Nov 16, 2006 19:05:28 GMT -6
Fiora as well.
And, I don't really like fighters much. Never used them enough to have an opinion on them, other than the fact that I don't like them.
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