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Post by Matthias on Nov 6, 2006 14:21:48 GMT -6
So, let us discuss who is the best in each class. Starting with....
Lord.
I'm gonna say Lyn. I know I just caused some people some heart attacks or something, but that's what I think. At promotion she gains the ability to attack at distance. At all times, her speed makes her hard to touch, and she generally does better than Eliwood in most stats. True, Hector is also really good, but he doesn't seem to be as useful as Lyn.
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Nov 6, 2006 15:34:21 GMT -6
Lyn is the worst lord. She's a wannabee swordmaster with bows instead of crit. She has no con too, and the only weapon she does good damage with is the mani katti. Relying on one weapon that you only get one of, will wear it down fast, and then it's gone. You could hamerne it, but I'd rather use it on long range magic. Lyn is vastly overrated, and is only good for getting Geitz, and an easier Four Fanged Offense chapter.
Eliwood is the best lord. His con isn't that great, but 9 at promotion is good for most swords, and ok for lances. He gets a pony, and lances. Lances really give him an extra offensive boost. Eliwood with the Rex Hasta destroys everybody, and it only takes off like what? Two speed? Nothing a body ring can't fix, although magic users need the body ring more than eliwood does. Eliwood is very balanced.
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Post by Kenshin on Nov 6, 2006 20:47:01 GMT -6
I like Hector the most. Who needs Lyn when you've got a tank?
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Post by Matis on Nov 7, 2006 11:58:56 GMT -6
I'm in for all of them, actually. The lords seem to be more useful than thieves, pirates, healers, cavaliers and generals(just to name a few).
They also all have their pros and cons, like Lyn's awesome speed and critical rate, but low defense, Hector's awesome tank-like powers, but low speed, and Eliwood is pretty much balanced, but that is also his weakness.
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Post by Matthias on Nov 7, 2006 12:03:09 GMT -6
I know personal experience doesn't count for much in the wide scheme of things, but it seems to me like Eliwood just always lacks. I mean, he never seems able to kill anyone, most of the time you have to babysit him. Durandal seems to screw him over worse. Hector at least can wield his final weapon (admittedly, Lyn cannot). As for Lyn being a wannabe swordmaster, she usually does better than most of the swordmasters (mostly becuase karel and Karla aren't exactly the best units).
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Post by Matis on Nov 7, 2006 12:19:03 GMT -6
The only problem with Lyn is her low defense/HP and the lack of a good final weapon. The Sol Katti is WAY too heavy for a slim sword/rapier-like weapon. That, and it lacks power. Only 14 Mt for god's sake. You call THAT a ultimate weapon?
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Post by Matthias on Nov 7, 2006 12:26:22 GMT -6
It is a very bad final weapon, I concede that. As for the defense, she often makes up for it in the fact that her speed is high enough, as most myrmidon/swordmaster classtypes are. It also only takes one angelic robe to fix that hp problem. Also, Eliwood doesn't generally have that many more HP than Lyn, or Def for that matter (probably bigger difference in that latter one).
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Post by Matis on Nov 7, 2006 12:38:30 GMT -6
Well, yes, but if you actually want to, getting Lyn to be the best is just a matter of getting the stat up items. What I meant, though, is that if she gets hit(IF she gets hit), she will be down in one more blow at most.
But yes, alongside Rebecca, Lyn has the most awesome evading ever. Those two barely got hit in my game.
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Nov 7, 2006 16:18:28 GMT -6
Personal experience much? Legault has the highest avoid. Fact. Legault has a high speed and a 30 cap. He has high luck and a 30 cap. His 9 con allows him to use a variety of weapons. His ice affinity grants him defense, avoid and crit evade bonuses. Properly supported Legault will have the highest avoid. Eliwood 20/20 average HP: 52.4 Str: 23.8 Skl: 23.5 Spd: 22.4 Def: 17.4 Res: 16.3 Lck: 24.1 Con: 9 Mov: 7 Aid: 16 Lyn 20/20 average HP: 45.6 Str: 20.9 Skl: 28.7 Spd: 29.4 Def: 12.6 Res: 16.4 Lck: 25.8 Con: 6 Mov: 6 Aid: 5 Eliwood wins in HP+7, STR +3, DEF+5, CON+3, MOV+1, AID+11. Lyn wins in SKL +5, SPD+7, LCK+1. Lyn's main advantage over Eliwood is her +9 speed. But by the time your that far into the game, anybody with over 20 speed should be able to double almost everybody and have plentiful dodge. Skill is rather useless, most people have no problem with hitting people. And +1 luck is insignificant. Eliwood does 3 more damage, can use heavier weapons with less speed loss, get to places faster, take hits much better, and can rescue people when your in a tight situation. This is all easily outweighs Lyn's +9 speed, especially when she's using a mildly heavy weapon that will take down that speed (Light Brand, Rune Sword, Brave Sword, Regal Blade etc...). Not to mention Eliwood's affinity doesn't suck. Wind gives what, crit and evade? Anima gives defence and attack, and he has good support options like Hector and Harken, that will give him good bonuses, and are good units. Lyn's best support is like Wil, who isn't that good anyway. stats
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Post by Matthias on Nov 7, 2006 22:08:41 GMT -6
I forgot about Legault and Matthew, both of which probably have better avoid (Legault's even higher, because he's better). BTW, Lyn does have Eliwood for support, and you yourself just went into how anima helps. Though, her wind will only do so much for Eliwood. You know, if you round those numbers up... Eliwood only beats Lyn in Con, Mov, and Aid, though it is better to have def and str instead of skill and luck... Another thing to consider is prepromtion. Before the two promote, Lyn seems to be vastly better (I don't have the stats with me). Additionally, she does have the option of training beforehand, which can be helpful in hard settings. It is very hard to argue with solid numbers though... but I still don't like Eliwood (I like his char's personality, but he always sucks in my games...) Popular vote still seems Lyn... odd, seeing as Hector seems to be the favorite when I've read about this elsewhere. Cookies, popular vote doesn't necassary mean the best was chosen. This happens all the time.
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Post by Matthias on Nov 7, 2006 22:11:14 GMT -6
I said that, and then read my own topic title... So, according to cookie's research, Eliwood is the best... ...
I still like Lyn better...
and it's gonna be hard if he pulls up stats everytime...
anyway, moving on....
CAVALIERS!!!
Okay, stat-wise, aren't Kent, Sain, and Lowen all tied? They just place the stats in different places right? So it come down to what you want out of your cavalier... I'm going with Sain. Gotta love that attack power, with Kent in second. Lowen's good, but you pretty much have to support him with Rebecca and/or Eliwood, as his other supports (isadora, marcus) suck...
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Post by Matis on Nov 8, 2006 12:20:31 GMT -6
Never liked Cavaliers much. Kent does it for me though, having nice HP, STR, SKL and SPD growths.
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Post by Alan on Nov 8, 2006 13:38:33 GMT -6
IMO Sain>Lowen>Kent
Sain for the stats Lowen for the supports (Fire affinity and Eliwood, Harken and Rebecca to support with) Kent is most balanced but I don't like him.
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Post by Matthias on Nov 8, 2006 14:05:54 GMT -6
I like Kent well enough, about equal with Sain suprisingly. Also, he's one of Lyn's better supports (I mean conversation/ending wise, don't know for certain about the stats). It's hard for me to argue too much, because I love all three cavaliers (cavaliers are one of my favorite FE units, along with Peg Knights, Thieves, and Archers). Lowen's supports just don't do it for me. Though, if you want a tank (besides or including Oswin), then Lowen's your man.
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Nov 8, 2006 20:20:48 GMT -6
Sain is the best. Kent's leads in stats over sain are marginal. A couple defence, a couple hp, a couple res a couple speed. Not really that much. Sain destroys Kent in strength, and luck. Kent does have a better affinity and supports than Sain, but he's much harder to use. And Kent's only good lead is in skill, but skill is pretty much the least valuable stat anyway.
Kent technically is better than sain at 20/20. But thats 20/20. For the whole rest of the game besides Light, Sain will be superior. Sain will double just as much as Kent will. Sain will dodge a bit better from his luck (even though he is a bit slower, the luck advantage outweighs it), and delivers strong blows to enemy units. I'll post level 15 unpromoted averages.
Kent HP: 31.9 Str: 11.6 Skl: 13.0 Spd: 13.3 Def: 8.5 Res: 4.5 Lck: 4.8
Sain HP: 30 Str: 16.4 Skl: 8.9 Spd: 11.6 Def: 8.8 Res: 2.8 Lck: 8.9
Both have the same con.
Kent has +1HP, +5 SKL, +2 SPD, +2 RES. Sain has +5 STR, +4 LCK.
+1 hp is hardly any advantage. Skill is rather useless So Kent's best offenses over sain at lvl 15 are +2 res and spd.
While Sain has a powerful +5 strength over Kent, and 4 luck. The luck is nearly useless, but it proves to be more valuable over time, because Sain's luck nears 20ish, while Kent's nears 10ish. A ten point lead in luck at the end game is useful, because you have little to no fear of enemy critical hits. While Kent will be one of those people forced to share the Iron Rune, because his luck isn't that high.
but thats later in the game, for now that +5 power is what is giving sain his lead. Fun Fact: Sain's strength is higher than Oswin's at that point.
Oswin 15= STR: 15.4 Sain 15= 16.4
He's stronger than the knight.
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