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Post by Alan on Dec 30, 2006 4:53:35 GMT -6
The joining time is what kills Rath, if you don't do Lyn's Mode he'll be at level 7 when he joins and he will require a lot of Boss abusing in Lyn Mode to be decent when he rejoins, bear in mind that because he has a hoorse, he is vulnerable to Horseslayers, Halberts and Longsworsd whereas archers and Sniper don't have such a weakness. Also his affinity and support list is pretty bad (Lyn and Wilwill be wanting a lot of other chars first, Guy is crap).
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Post by Matthias on Dec 30, 2006 13:07:38 GMT -6
Besides, doesn't Guy have better support options (Priscilla and Matthew come to mind). i'll be honest, i just love Rebecca.
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Dec 31, 2006 11:29:05 GMT -6
The joining time is what kills Rath, if you don't do Lyn's Mode he'll be at level 7 when he joins and he will require a lot of Boss abusing in Lyn Mode to be decent when he rejoins, bear in mind that because he has a hoorse, he is vulnerable to Horseslayers, Halberts and Longsworsd whereas archers and Sniper don't have such a weakness. Also his affinity and support list is pretty bad (Lyn and Wilwill be wanting a lot of other chars first, Guy is crap). Your horse slayer thing has ben proven otherwise. They're not really a threat. Generic enemies that hold them are quite rare, and they can easily be taken out with another unit, and or Rath's bow. Nobody's going to send rath out alone in a swarm of enemy units. That's just suicide. You have to remember you have more than one unit on the battlefield. Paladins are obviously worse than Falcoknights because they have a weakness to horseslaying weapons, while falcoknights can cover up their arrow weakness with the delphi sheild. <_< That's pretty much the idea that you sending at me. Yes you have to boss abuse to get full use out of rath. But to use Rebecca, you have to babysit her. She has to get the last blow on a bunch of the begining enemies, for her stats to kick in. She won't be able to do much damage, she won't double attack, and she doesn't dodge or defend well. You have to keep her well protected, and it's annoying and tedious. Once you get her to like level 6 or 7, she'll be fine. But it's not like that happens in the first two chapters.
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Post by Matthias on Dec 31, 2006 17:30:14 GMT -6
So it really comes down to whether you'd rather babysit one unit, or boss abuse another? Though , I don't remember boss abusing the few times I used Rath, and he turned out alright...
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Post by Alan on Jan 1, 2007 2:54:22 GMT -6
I don't remember babysitting Rebecca, It's not like those halfblind bandits have a decent chance of hitting her, and hell Eliwood comes at lvl. 1 at the same level! And Hector's worse! And anyhow, there is still Wil, you can't claim he needs babysitting.
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Post by Matthias on Jan 1, 2007 22:21:05 GMT -6
Hector's not worse. He comes in with axes, and Matthew as a guard (I'll be getting to that in a bit). The first things he should be going up against are soldiers, with lances. After he creams them, he can finish off the archers which Matthew can easily weaken. Then, he can use his hand axe to weaken the boss, and finish him with the wolf biel. On to the second mission. Hector starts right next to Oswin, the game's best tank. Most of the units are... soldiers, bandits, and pegasus knight. What exactly does Hector need to cower in fear of? A lucky bandit?
Honestly, I don't remember babysitting Rebecca too much. Eliwood is much worse in that respect. And yes, there is Wil, if you want to take a mediocre unit with the personality of Villager #842.
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Post by cookiesnmilk on Jan 3, 2007 21:00:54 GMT -6
Eliwood has swords and the rapier. He can take out bandits because of swords, and calvery and knights get the effective end of the rapier.
Rebbecca has no weapon advantage at all, can't fight on her own, and ends up mediocre in the end anyway. Rath although needing boss abuse to be less of a hassle at the end (face it, being down about 7 levels from the average of the party isn't too good), especially on hard mode with the EXP cuts. It'll take a bit to get him up to par.
But in the end, even though he's more of a hassle when you get him than rebbecca is, his stats and class atributes are what pull him ahead.
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Post by Flyssa on Jan 4, 2007 12:51:25 GMT -6
Rebecca is a bit of a pain at the start, she does require some baby-sitting and her strength is so... o.o;;
Eliwood... He's doesn't require baby sitting for me. I agree with cookiesnmilk on everything above >_>
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Post by Alan on Jan 4, 2007 15:39:43 GMT -6
Rebecca requires babysitting, yes but I wouldn't say she's a bad unit later on. She's unhittable by the time Rath shows up.
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Post by Lumino on Jan 6, 2007 22:49:44 GMT -6
I actually had Rath as a Nomad Trooper by the final mission, because I loved him so much I refused to NOT use him. He got strong really quick, and with a brave bow he was tearing up the field something fierce...at least until I gave him the S bow (Reinfaltch or something like that.).
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Post by Alan on Jan 8, 2007 6:33:42 GMT -6
I'm getting tired of saying this but PERSONAL EXPERIENCE MEANS NOTHING!
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Post by Flyssa on Jan 8, 2007 9:54:53 GMT -6
lol But Rath IS strong.
20/10 HP: 45.6 Str: 21.0 Skl: 18.8 Spd: 22.0 Def: 12.2 Res: 10.5 Luck: 11.6 Con: 8
Sain's stats in the same format:
20/10 43.4 24.3 14.8 18.2 13.6 6.6 13.8 11
Raven's stats same format:
20/10 49.4 21.1 22.6 24.8 13.0 6.6 10.4 9
2 of the better units of the game compared to Rath. Not much difference.
20/10 37.8 18.2 20.0 23.7 9.2 11.4 18.0 6
Rebecca is overrated. Requires babysitting, damage output isn' THAT good, use stronger weapons and risk losing some of her precious dodge.
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Post by Alan on Jan 8, 2007 10:59:45 GMT -6
Alright, I'll give in. What's next?
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Post by Lumino on Jan 9, 2007 6:48:53 GMT -6
Wyvern Knights! Cormag versus that guy I never used in FE7. <_<
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Post by Alan on Jan 9, 2007 7:18:05 GMT -6
No fair, people in FE8 are overpowered to say the least. Heath vs. Vaida.
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